Wednesday, September 06, 2006

Reductio ad Civil Warum

Condi Rice now compares the current conflict to the struggles to free slaves in the Civil War. She says:

"I'm sure there are people who thought it was a mistake to fight the Civil War to its end and to insist that the emancipation of slaves would hold," Rice said in the new issue of Essence magazine.

"I know there were people who said, 'Why don't we get out of this now, take a peace with the South, but leave the South with slaves?'" Rice said.

Hmmmm, conservatives who hold strongly to the South's position, like DKL over on BCC, that they fought not over slavery, but state rights, should be offended at Dr. Rice's lack of historical knowledge. Is it not Rumsfeld who recently said: "But some seem not to have learned history's lessons." Or is Dr. Rice using a reductio ad Civil Warum to relate two totally absurd and different situations?

In the eyes of Dr. Rice, relating the current war on terror to Hitler and fascism and even Lenin's communism is not enough. She is obviously speaking to a black audience, and of course what African American would say the fight to free slaves was not worth the cost! Blacks could care less about Hitler's fascism or Lenin's communism, in Dr. Rice's eyes. No, the best target for the African American crowd is the use of this reductio ad Civil Warum.


At 9/06/2006 12:56:00 PM, Blogger Sherpa said...

Well, at least you're using your free time to research logical fallacies against the Bush adminstration now.

At 9/06/2006 01:13:00 PM, Blogger nicolaepadigone said...

yep. why are you being snideful though?

At 9/06/2006 01:44:00 PM, Blogger Sherpa said...

Is snideful even a word?

Dan, I wasn't insulting you.

I'm not "snideful". Pure emotion and happiness obviously can't be uploaded online.

At 9/06/2006 02:04:00 PM, Blogger nicolaepadigone said...

sure it's a word. it means full of snide. ;)

I just figured you'd like that I pointed out the folly of Rice's remarks, but the way your comments came accross seemed.... snidish?.... snidey?

I guess it comes down to this: Out of all the things to be concerned about today with our leaders being so full of violence and corruption, that me supposedly using a logical fallacy would not be high on the list of things to be concerned about.

At 9/06/2006 02:26:00 PM, Blogger Sherpa said...

how about snidalicious?

Daniel---Logical fallacies won't convince anyone who is intelligent enough to know what it is. If the facts are convincing, then there's no need to employ logical fallacies. If there's not enough facts and you have to resort to them, that's lame.

I'm a moderate. I'm automatically suspicious when they are employed, no matter which side. Just give me the facts--don't use lame tricks.

At 9/06/2006 04:05:00 PM, Blogger nicolaepadigone said...

What if you've shown all the facts and people still get bamboozled by the Bush administration? What does it say about Americans?

At 9/06/2006 04:15:00 PM, Blogger Sherpa said...

That you still shouldn't resort to logical fallacies.

At 9/06/2006 04:24:00 PM, Blogger nicolaepadigone said...

Or that the intellect level of those who support Bush and keep silent when he and his cronies use logical fallacies left and right is not quite as high as they pretend it to be.

At 9/06/2006 04:38:00 PM, Blogger Sherpa said...

Instruments of the Lord's Peace
Elder Robert S. Wood
Of the Seventy

Have we who have taken upon us the name of Christ slipped unknowingly into patterns of slander, evil speaking, and bitter stereotyping?

I have a friend who is a member of a political panel that is seen each week on national television. Explaining her role, she said, "We are encouraged to speak before thinking!" We appear to be living in an era in which many are speaking without thinking, encouraging emotional reactions rather than thoughtful responses. Whether it be on the national or international stage, in personal relations or in politics, at home or in the public forum, voices grow ever more strident, and giving and taking offense appear to be chosen rather than inadvertent.

The Lord has warned that from the beginning and throughout history, Satan would stir up people's hearts to anger.1 In the Book of Mormon, Laman set a pattern of so murmuring as to stir anger, to stoke rage, and to incite murder.2 Time and again in the Book of Mormon, we find deluded and wicked men inciting rage and provoking conflict. In the days of Captain Moroni, the apostate Amalickiah inspired "the hearts of the Lamanites against the people of Nephi."3 Amulon and the wicked priests of Noah; Nehor; Korihor; and Zoram the apostate (the dishonor roll goes on throughout the Book of Mormon) were agitators who inspired distrust, fueled controversy, and deepened hatreds.

In speaking to Enoch, the Lord indicated that both the time of His birth and the time preceding His Second Coming would be "days of wickedness and vengeance."4 And the Lord has said that in the last days, wrath shall be poured out upon the earth without mixture.5 Wrath is defined both as the righteous indignation of God and as the very human instances of impetuous ardor and deep or violent anger. The former arises from the concern of a loving Father whose children are often "without affection, and they hate their own blood,"6 whereas the latter wrath arises from a people "without order and without mercy, . . . strong in their perversion."7 I fear the earth is experiencing both wraths, and I suspect the divine wrath is very much provoked by those who are stirring up the hearts of men to wickedness, slander, and violent hatreds.

The first casualties of human wrath are truth and understanding. James counseled that we be "swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God."8 As Enoch observed, God’s throne is one of peace, justice, and truth.9 Whether they be false friends or unrighteous teachers, artists or entertainers, commentators or letter writers to local newspapers, seekers of power or wealth, beware of those who stir us up to such anger that calm reflection and charitable feelings are suppressed.

Alma at the waters of Mormon invited those who would enter into a covenant relationship with God to stand as witnesses of God and to bear one another's burdens.10 As those who have indeed entered into a sacred covenant, we must remain true to the way, the truth, and the life, who is Jesus Christ.

Have we who have taken upon us the name of Christ slipped unknowingly into patterns of slander, evil speaking, and bitter stereotyping? Have personal or partisan or business or religious differences been translated into a kind of demonizing of those of different views? Do we pause to understand the seemingly different positions of others and seek, where possible, common ground?

I recall that as a graduate student I wrote a critique of an important political philosopher. It was clear that I disagreed with him. My professor told me that my paper was good, but not good enough. Before you launch into your criticism, she said, you must first present the strongest case for the position you are opposing, one that the philosopher himself could accept. I redid the paper. I still had important differences with the philosopher, but I understood him better, and I saw the strengths and virtues, as well as limitations, of his belief. I learned a lesson that I've applied across the spectrum of my life.

General Andrew Jackson, as he walked along the line at the Battle of New Orleans, said to his men, "Gentlemen, elevate your guns a little lower!" I think many of us need to elevate our "guns" a little lower. On the other hand, we need to raise the level of private and public discourse. We should avoid caricaturing the positions of others, constructing "straw men," if you will, and casting unwarranted aspersions on their motivations and character. We need, as the Lord counseled, to uphold honest, wise, and good men and women wherever they are found and to recognize that there are "among all sects, parties, and denominations" those who are "kept from the truth [of the gospel] because they know not where to find it."11 Would we hide that light because we have entered into the culture of slander, of stereotyping, of giving and seeking offense?

It is far too easy sometimes to fall into a spirit of mockery and cynicism in dealing with those of contrary views. We demoralize or demean so as to bring others or their ideas in contempt. It is a primary tool of those who occupy the large and spacious building that Father Lehi saw in vision.12 Jude, the brother of Christ, warned that "there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit."13

Closely related to mockery is a spirit of cynicism. Cynics are disposed to find and to catch at fault. Implicitly or explicitly, they display a sneering disbelief in sincerity and rectitude. Isaiah spoke of those who "watch for iniquity" and "make a man an offender for a word, and lay a snare for him that reproveth in the gate, and turn aside the just for a thing of nought."14 In this regard, the Lord has counseled in latter days that we "cease to find fault one with another" and "above all things, clothe [ourselves] with the bond of charity, as with a mantle, which is the bond of perfectness and peace."15

President George Albert Smith observed, "There is nothing in the world more deleterious or harmful to the human family than hatred, prejudice, suspicion, and the attitude that some people have toward their fellows, of unkindness."16 In matters of politics, he warned, "Whenever your politics cause you to speak unkindly of your brethren, know this, that you are upon dangerous ground."17 Speaking of the great mission of the latter-day kingdom, he counseled: "This is not a militant church to which we belong. This is a church that holds out peace to the world. It is not our duty to go into the world and find fault with others, neither to criticize men because they do not understand. But it is our privilege, in kindness and love, to go among them and divide with them the truth that the Lord has revealed in this latter day."18

The Lord has constituted us as a people for a special mission. As he told Enoch in ancient times, the day in which we live would be one of darkness, but it would also be a time when righteousness would come down from heaven, and truth would be sent forth out of the earth to bear, once more, testimony of Christ and His atoning mission. As with a flood, that message would sweep the world, and the Lord's elect would be gathered out from the four quarters of the earth.19 Wherever we live in the world, we have been molded as a people to be the instruments of the Lord's peace. In the words of Peter, we have been claimed by God for His own, to proclaim the triumph of Him "who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God."20 We cannot afford to be caught up in a world prone to give and to take offense. Rather, as the Lord revealed to both Paul and Mormon, we must neither envy nor be puffed up in pride. We are not easily provoked, nor do we behave unseemly. We rejoice not in iniquity but in the truth. Surely this is the pure love of Christ which we represent.21

In a world beset by wrath, the prophet of our day, President Gordon B. Hinckley, has counseled: "Now, there is much that we can and must do in these perilous times. We can give our opinions on the merit of the situation as we see it, but never let us become a party to words or works of evil concerning our brothers and sisters in various nations on one side or the other. Political differences never justify hatred or ill will. I hope that the Lord's people may be at peace one with another during times of trouble, regardless of what loyalties they may have to different governments or parties."22

As true witnesses of Christ in the latter days, let us not fall into the darkness so that, in the words of Peter, we "cannot see afar off," but let us be fruitful in the testimony of Christ and His restored gospel, in thought, in speech, in deed.23 God lives. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life. Joseph Smith, the great prophet of the Restoration, was the instrument by which we have been constituted as a people, led even today by a prophet of God, President Gordon B. Hinckley. Let us daily renew in our hearts the pure love of Christ and overcome with our Master the darkness of the world. In the name of Jesus Christ, amen.


1. See 2 Nephi 28:20; D&C 10:24.
2. See 1 Nephi 16:37–38.
3. Alma 48:1.
4. Moses 7:46, 60.
5. See D&C 115:6.
6. Moses 7:33.
7. Moroni 9:18–19.
8. James 1:19–20.
9. See Moses 7:31.
10. See Mosiah 18:8–10.
11. D&C 123:12; see also 98:10.
12. See 1 Nephi 8:26–33; 11:36.
13. Jude 1:18–19.
14. Isaiah 29:20–21.
15. D&C 88:124–25.
16. Sayings of a Saint, sel. Alice K. Chase (1952), 30.
17. In Conference Report, Apr. 1914, 12.
18. In Conference Report, Apr. 1935, 44.
19. See Moses 7:62.
20. 1 Peter 2:9–10.
21. 1 Corinthians 13:4–6; Moroni 7:45–47.
22. "War and Peace," Liahona and Ensign, May 2003, 80.
23. 2 Peter 1:8–9.

At 9/06/2006 04:39:00 PM, Blogger Sherpa said...

"Whenever your politics cause you to speak unkindly of your brethren, know this, that you are upon dangerous ground."

President George Albert Smith

I'm pretty sure that George Albert Smith would include Bush supporters as part of our brethren.

At 9/06/2006 04:40:00 PM, Blogger Sherpa said...

"This is not a militant church to which we belong. This is a church that holds out peace to the world. It is not our duty to go into the world and find fault with others, neither to criticize men because they do not understand. But it is our privilege, in kindness and love, to go among them and divide with them the truth that the Lord has revealed in this latter day.

President George Albert Smith

At 9/06/2006 09:49:00 PM, Blogger nicolaepadigone said...


you tell me to let it go, but look at you. why don't YOU let it go. you've made your point. I disagree with you, but now you've gone and quoted prophets trying to convince me. I am well aware of what Elder Wood said in the April conference. Let it go, Ruby.

At 9/07/2006 08:25:00 AM, Blogger Sherpa said...

I had a feeling a conference talk may have an effect on you. Sweet! Finally!

Although we'll see how long. ;)

At 9/07/2006 08:29:00 AM, Blogger Sherpa said...

Dan, anyway I'm glad you finally saw the light. Sort of. Seriously, I believe Elder Wood's words are applicable for all members of the church, not just Conservative members of the church.

At 9/10/2006 07:55:00 AM, Blogger Trude said...

that is a great article . I think some on another site could heed it's words ! :-)


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